Episode 28 - Tom Nguyen/USA Pickleball

Thank you for tuning in. I'm Greg. I'm Mike. And I'm Chris Anna. And we are the Pickleballers Next Door. Our court's your court. Thanks for tuning in to Pickleballers Next Door. We're here with Tom Wynn of USA Pickleball. And I'm Mike. And I'm Chris Anna. And I'm Tom Wynn with USA Pickleball as an ambassador. Heck yeah. So what have you guys been up to? Well, we left you. You were busy. So we went and did an event at the YMCA. Down in Colorado Springs. In Colorado Springs. And this was, it was very, you ran it very well. And it was very fun working with you. Yeah. You were great. Hey, you know, it was fire. You know, the thing is that those kids down there, I guess, what was it, 164, right? 164 kids. It was pretty chaotic, wasn't it? Oh yeah. I was like, oh no. I'm glad I'm not a teacher. What time did you guys show up? Because I left here, it's a week, obviously, you know, from here to Colorado Springs is what an hour and a half, right? From Denver. So I, I left around five in the morning, right? Just because I was really scared. What time did you have to be there? 6.15 we left. 7.30 ish. Right? Oh yeah. Meal for myself. Yeah. Did you stop and get breakfast? Cause that's all. You know, I stopped and just, you know, got a Coke, right? Because, you know, I just want to wake up and make sure I was not going north when I should be going south. And then have to go all the way back down. I know. You have a dealer down there too? Whoa. Yeah. No, let me rephrase that. It's Quick Trips Coca-Cola. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yes. The real pick-me-up. The original pick-me-up. Anyways. But hey, you know, that's great because, you know, with USA Pickleball Serves, I think that's what we were doing, was doing down there. So USA Pickleball Serves is kind of a new thing within USA Pickleball, right? And I'll call it USAP. It's USA Pickleball. And USA Pickleball is, for those that don't know, it's the governing body of pickleball, right? So when you look at paddles and you turn your paddle around and it says approved by USA Pickleball, that's the governing body. They're also, they're a non-profit. And so that means that, you know, they don't have a horse in the game or a dog in the fight. So you know, one of the big things is, you know, that's very controversial is paddles. I'm sure you guys have done a podcast on paddles and stuff and technology around that. Oh, anyways. We haven't. So, you know, Carl is, you know, one of the leading guys that certifies paddles, right? And I've met Carl. But anyways, you know, what's great about it is that everyone comes to the table with the love of the game and it's not a for-profit. So, you know, the people who are working there are generally concerned and care for the game where it comes to equipment, where it comes to the actual game itself and how it's played, the rules, right? And then obviously now what serves is how do we as pickleball players have the opportunity to give back to the community? Well, and it was, you were just bringing truck, like nets and nets and balls and paddles. They supplied every child had a paddle. How many courses did you guys end up having? And that's the thing, right? Because, you know, it's not about the courts. I mean, you know, the YMCA, I think they had like three big, huge gym areas that could be partitioned. But, you know, with pickle, with the USA serves, we went through a lot of training about using nonconforming spaces to teach. So, you know, unlike tennis where, you know, you go on a tennis court, even if you just have a gym, you can make it work. And there's games that you can play to help the kids build confidence and get them to understand the first steps into this progression of, hey, pickleball, right? Which we all love because as we know, pickleball as adults and why we love it, it's simple to play, but hard to master. Yeah. Right. Is that right? I always say that. Easy to play, hard to master. That's a great point. Yeah. And for the kids, I mean, you know, and you know, the kid, you know, as adults, we vote with our money, right? As kids, they vote with smiles and laughter. So I think, you know, that's what happened is that you can, you can see the tremendous appeal of this great game of pickleball by the smiles and laughter that we were grateful enough to, to see and to, to be a part of. And who knows, who knows what kids you actually reached and who's going to end up being a pro or whatever. You don't know. You don't know. It was, it was, it was well-organized. When you said 160 kids to me, I'm thinking, this is, this is, this is, Mike was almost going out the door and said, Mike, we, you know, you promised them that we would help them and look. Yeah. No, I know. I mean, you know, I mean, the promissory notes that I put out there, right. And you know, in the, in, in, in some of the, you know, back of the office wrangling of people to get volunteers. You know, I appreciate you guys doing that because it's not easy, you know, to do that. And, um, you know, we all had the fear in our eyes, right, but you know, the adrenaline starts moving, right. And so, you know, again, and the nice thing is that, um, whatever we do is going to be okay because kids are forgiving as long as they know that you're trying to pay attention to them. Yes. And I think that's the most, the beauty of it is to, you know, the kids realize that, Hey, there's someone here that really wants to be a part of this. And what's really great, I think this is the first time and we go back to USA Pickleball serves, right. And, and I've just, this is the first time I've done it. Um, and this is the biggest one they've ever had in Colorado Springs. So yeah. So, um, I think they've had a few, but not as big as this one here in Colorado Springs. So it was pretty overwhelming, I think for the staff itself and Brenda, Brenda Puga is the director of USA Pickleball serves. And so, you know, I just had some conversations and, and so basically, um, when we got down there and things were happening, um, you know, uh, it was, it was because you guys came along because the six or seven volunteers, we definitely needed that along with not only being the first time, but I think this is the first time they folded in some celebrity sports guests. Oh yeah. What'd you guys think about that? Because you know, obviously again, we had, you know, a couple of ex Broncos. Oh yeah. I wish I could have been there. I had to work, but I wish I could have been there. Oh yeah. It was, uh, it was awesome. I mean, and they did a great job too. They just, it wasn't, it wasn't like they just walked in and I have to be here. You know, we've, we've been to stuff like that where like they got paid to be there. These guys volunteered their time to be there because we were really curious. They were there and, and he, Jake, I mean, he's, he's incredible already, right? And he plays. Yeah. That's the fun part. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Jake Plummer is, you know, so those, so those who love football, those who don't know who Jake Plummer and Nick Ferguson there, you know, Broncos, ex football players, um, and uh, now they play pick a ball and um, you know, Jake's really into it and I've had the pleasure of actually playing on the court with him and stuff and it's a little intimidating. He's a nice guy, but it's a little intimidating because I don't know if you guys know this if you played with him, but you know, when we, when we play a game, you know, most guys are on the side and we're drinking, you know, beer or water or whatever it is, right? He's in a corner doing pushups. So it's pretty intimidating. He's back on the court and he starts playing another round. So it's pretty intimidating. He hits the smell salts before he hits the court or yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, the thing is that, you know, and, and, you know, and again, you know, it's great to have, you know, those guys there as, as sports celebrities for those kids. And of course as to kind of look up to you, right? Sure. We were like big kids. Yeah. We're like big kids. Right. Can we get your signature? We got a picture. Yeah. We got pictures. We got pictures with him. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, so that, so that's, what's great is because, you know, within this USA Pickleball serves, not only are you able to, um, you know, uh, give it your time, but because it's an organization that has bigger reach, you know, they can fold in cool things and experiences like that with celebrities are now playing Pickleball and it just makes it fun for everybody. It really did. Because we want, you know, we want to have fun as volunteers. We also want to have fun and we want to meet and, and, and connect with cool people too. Yeah. Besides yourself, you know, so that's, that's, so anyways, but back to the kids, you know, that I think that was great because it gave an opportunity for them to give a little bit of a prep, pep rally. And then, you know, now that the kids know that these really big celebrity sports guys are playing Pickleball, it just breaks a lot of barriers, right? Well, now that, um, the PPA is paying big bucks, they're going to start paying huge and you know, it's a legit career path now. Oh, absolutely. And you almost have to be ready to go playing in the juniors by 12 before, you know, to become some crazy good pro. It's too late for me then. No, it's never too late. It's never too late. To be a pro? I mean, it's absolutely too late. No. You know what I get? This is what I get. I put up with a lot. I like her. Tough love. No, I like her too. 2.0 or best, but you know. 2.0 at best. Yeah. No, that's great. Those guys did, what a great job. I mean, he was, they connected to the children. They, I mean, they just wanted to play them. I mean, they kept raising their hand. When are we going to play you? You know? Yeah. They want to play. Absolutely. Absolutely. And you know, it was fun to see not only the kids having fun, but also the volunteers, you know? And the whole point is play. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the whole point is play. Right? And it's not about, you know, it's pickleball as a sport, but you know, and I think, I think the sports guys said it really nicely, you know, when they walked up and they said, Hey, you know, I, we want you to play a lot of different things, you know, whether it be if you're love, uh, soccer, basketball, whatever it is, right. If you're focused on that, right. Make sure that you're playing other things like pickleball. And so I think that was a good message to send to the kids that, you know, it's about play. Right. Yeah. And I think it's going to be the same message, right? We have to realize that this life can be a little bit difficult sometimes. And you know, with, uh, and I sent this article out to the ambassadors about the contentiousness between China and the US, but what has happened is that they brought over some students, uh, as, as a, as a, uh, kind of connecting program into China using pickleball as a way to break down the ice and get Chinese and American students to play together and develop relationships. And, you know, the president, which is not very popular over there, you know, right now with us, right. I was just going to say, is it, is it the students that we have to worry about? No, yeah. I know. They all need to be playing pickleball. It sounds like. But it was great because he said, you know, this is great because we want to have things like this in China. And I think that's, that's the appropriate thing because, you know, we look at from our communities, but you know, it's, it's one of those things where I think USA pickleball not only is nationally here in the United States, but as pickleball grows and becomes an Olympic sport, you know, we can see how those barriers can break, you know, can break down those kind of, and be more inclusive with kids, but also be used for, you know, that level international type of diplomas. Cause as you know, I mean, it's so much, we, we, we've met so many people as players, right. As neighbors, right. Playing pickleball, right. On the court. On the court. We're neighbors. We're all neighbors. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, and, and, you know, I have a friend that plays, plays pickleball, right. I met him. His name is Chris. And I actually walked into a, you know, get my, my audit, like my, my truck maintenance on the court. Everyone's a neighbor. Oh, I love that. That's cool, buddy. And, and he, and he was, and we played pickleball together and so, you know, he was servicing my truck, right. And we had a great time just talking to get, you know what I mean? So those are the things that, you know, connection, I think, yeah. So anyway, so that's what the serves means to my mind and the ambassadorship is about connection. It kind of explained, um, how you became an ambassador and a little more about how long has USA Pickleball Service been around? I know it's been, it's a nonprofit, but how long has it been around to go around to like YMCA's and that seems like a nervous laugh. No, no, no. She touched a nerve. No, she touched a nerve. And, you know, the whole point of this is that, you know, I was kind of saying to Chris earlier, right. I'm also coming from an immigrant family from Vietnam, right. I didn't get a chance to play anything like this and, you know, I had a coach that I really looked up to, right. That took me into his wings and, you know, he said, you know, um, I always remember this, you know, uh, you're going to have a life that matters as long as you matter to someone else. Oh, I like that. You know, you can have a life that matters as long as you, you know, you do something that matters to someone else. And so obviously he mattered to me. And so it's one of those things I always thought about. And so that's why I became an ambassador. It still breaks me because, you know, I, you know, he was just a nonchalant, nice guy and good coach. Um, but more importantly, a good coach in life. But you, but even meeting you out there, it was nice. I mean, you, you, you had jokes, you had fun with us. I mean, you could have been really serious and really made this stressful and you didn't. The whole time we were out there, we had a good time. Oh yeah, we had a lot of fun with you. With everybody. Yeah. The whole, the whole experience was awesome. That's great guys. I really appreciate that. And I hope that, you know, um, this continues and like we said, you know, this is a groundswell and you know, that the connector thing and, you know, for those are listening, you know, and are interested in, you know, maybe, uh, doing something, uh, that matters, um, that, you know, they, they enjoy the game pick a ball and they say, Hey, you know, what can I do? You know, make, what can, what little steps can, can I do? Right. Um, if you go usapickaball.org, right, you can check it out and then look at the ambassadorship program. And the real nice thing about being an ambassador besides being a connector is it gives you a toolkit when you become an ambassador, a toolkit of knowledge. I think a lot of times that's where, you know, for myself, it helps me and it helps me to provide that information to people who love pickleball because then because they are the governing body, like I mentioned, right, I get information firsthand of where the, where, where the rules are going towards and how to help people who are playing pickleball understand those rules in the community because we are as ambassadors, um, boots on the ground. Yeah, absolutely. Your neighbors that boots on the ground, right? Yeah. Well, and even on your online, I mean, I've, I'm, I'm, I'm part of it and uh, there's nice stuff on there that, you know, where you wanted to help somebody with a rating, they help you with rating there. There's so much information, a lot of information, oh my gosh, so much. So just what a great organization and how I actually got into us pickle with USA Pickleball was a big Mike. Nobody, no, everybody knows Big Mike. Everyone knows Big Mike. I just had a photo of Big Mike. He was with, he's everywhere. He's, he's a, there's two Big Mikes and yes, you guys are everywhere. So I'm Big Mike is a referee for some of us that I don't, I think I may have met him, but I was just, okay. No worries. He's got some massive feet. He has a massive feet. He was at the Rocky Mountain Championship. So he was a big, tall guy. Yes. He's a big man. Yep. Let me, let me give you some background on, on Big Mike. So Big Mike is the regional. So part of USA Pickleball, for those that don't know, is that when you go into tournaments, you know, there's a referee, right? And so you might see that on YouTube when you're watching matches, those referees. So Big Mike is, I think he's the, the regional ref for this area and training. So one of the aspects of being a USA Pickleball member is that you get access to becoming a referee as well. So that is awesome. So if you've never gone to a tournament, like they have the Golden Ticket tournaments, um, you know, you meet these referees that come all over the place. That's where it was. I met you in Arizona. Yes. That's where we met. Aw, look, that's so sweet. You guys. That's where we met. I knew it. Was it, was it? It was the Golden Ticket. No, that's the Golden Corral, the Golden Ticket. The Golden Ticket. Okay. Nothing else. Well, maybe. It could have been after. Yeah, it could have been both. We could have met at the Golden Corral. Yeah, yeah. No. The minute you said Golden Ticket, I was like, that's it, that's where I met you. So that is the Golden Ticket. That is the Golden Ticket. And so basically, you know, and then, and we started talking a little about RVing and stuff like that. And you know, um, um, one of the goals that we, I have, right, is, you know, to, to become a ref and to go around and not only be an ambassador, but also ref, right, in some of these things. Cause it's a lot of fun. And you meet a lot, again, you meet great people, uh, because again, pickleball is such an amazing sport because of the great people that are in it. It really is. Yeah. Absolutely. So the Golden Ticket, like right here, I mean, we couldn't figure out how we knew each other. It's an instant connection. In Arizona. Yeah. Right? Pickleball, you meet somebody and then all of a sudden you're like. That's crazy. So, yeah. I played a lot in St. Louis. Okay. And, um, I met a lot of good people out there. Uh, there was this one woman who, uh, was trying to become a ref and I was one of the people who played on this court. She rented a court, had us playing, and she was getting her assessment as a level one, level one. And the last time I saw her, we were at pickle con last year and she was reffing the NPL. Yes. It's amazing. I remember you. I remember you talking to her. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's it. And big Mike, that's why I, he, he, he kind of resonates to me is I was going to my first tournament. There he is. Big guy. Big guy on the court. Big heart. Always. And then he says, how are you doing today? And he, you know, really nice. I said, I don't know. I don't know if I should be doing this. I was just nervous. I felt like I was going to do a concert or something. He says, just breathe, have some fun. I'm here just to help you have more fun and he's never, and I don't care where I go and see him. He will say hi to you. Wave to you. The nicest man you've ever met. Yeah. Always. It's great. You know, and big Mike's been in the game for a while and you know, if you sit down with him, he's the most unassuming, like I said, very humble guy. I've gotten to know big Mike a while, but you know, he has, I mean, he's, he's, he's reffed, you know, some, some famous pros, right? Ben Johns, he's reffed Ben Johns and sat down and talked, you know, it's fascinating the conversations they have because Ben Johns is an engineer by trade. And so, you know, talking shop about, you know, paddles and then obviously Selkirk, you know, he knows. So, so, you know, like I said, you know, to be in the game and if you love the game, you know, you know, again, go back to how do you connect, right? And again, you know, usapickleball.org is a place that neighbors like us and players like us can go in and say, Hey, you know, what can I do? Not only can I play competitively, but there's other, there's other layers of, you know, what I can do besides playing competitively. And that's again, you know, the serves, the ambassadorship program, all those things. So do you have to be a different, a certain level to be an ambassador or can you just come in at not knowing? You know, I'm going to go get my duper and then I'm going to do better now. Yeah, no kidding, right? Wow. Yeah. I see a karate chop. That's why, that's why I sit over here. I'm kicking him under the table. You just don't see it. And you know what, that's a great question, right? Because there's people who, you know, are interested in facilities, right? I mean, there are community activists that play a very, you know, they just, they play the, you know, they just introduced the pickleball and, you know, they love it, but, you know, they're so involved in their HOAs and they want to bring pickleball courts, you know, repurpose some things in HOAs and they become ambassadors. The reason why, you know, I talk about facilities is because, you know, I've talked to some of the ambassadors when we were in Arizona and they were saying, you know, what's great about being an ambassador is that I can walk into a Parks and Rec or downtown or, you know, to a, you know, a meeting, a government meeting and show my card as an ambassador for USA Pickleball. It gives me a little bit more credential than just, you know, Sally Sue who wants to open up a court, right? And then, again, it's back to your toolkit of knowledge and you can go back into USA Pickleball with us ambassadors because there's a forum that you can pose questions to all the other ambassadors across the country. It's like, hey, you know, I'm looking at repurposing some courts here, right? I've got some signs, right? You know, what kind of information do you think would be great for signage for these public courts? And that's just one example of the toolkit that you have and the power of us as, you know, boots on the ground neighborhood ambassadors that can come into that and give, you know, someone like, you know, Greg, you know, ideas about, you know, how he can be a, not only a better player, but maybe a better person. Yeah. We need that. So I probably should sign up to help Greg with that. You're right. I can totally become like a better person. But not a better player, right? You're there. No, I'm not there. I am what I am as a player. As a person. I need to. Yeah. Probably improve. We love you, Greg. Of course. Well, you're up. All you guys. The other gentleman that was with you was Steve. Yes. Which was this guy's knowledge of pickleball. Wow. Steve Stone. Yeah. I mean, he's talking about, he goes way back into pickleball. He goes way back. Yeah. And that's, that's great because, you know, Steve did, you know, his background is table tennis. Yeah. And he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, Yes. So, you know, when I first met Steve, right, I mean, you know, he, you know, as ambassadors, they, you know, they flew us some ambassadors to Arizona for training. And I think that's where I met you, right. You were training to become an ambassador. That's right. So how long have you been an ambassador? What's that? How long have you been an ambassador? I've been an ambassador two and a half. So two and a half years. Okay. So I'm trying to put the season together. It was October-ish. October-ish at the Golden Ticket. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Look at this. So love is here. Love is there. And, you know, and that specific training was for youth programming. So, you know, and that's great. And so anyways, and that's where, you know, you meet all these ambassadors and, you know, and again, back to the connecting, right. It's about, again, shows like this that provide people knowledge. Hey, you know, that's great. I can, you know, ask some questions or I want to do some things, right. You know, there's people there that were, you know, what do they call it? You know, gosh, athletic directors for high schools that are ambassadors, right. And so you were able to pick their brain about, hey, what's going on with that? And then have a connection there so that down the road, because I, you know, his name is Merlin and he is from, you know, Missouri, Arkansas area and great guy. And, you know, he is, you know, he's telling us about how, you know, there's scholarships now. There's, there's colleges approaching, you know, him about, you know, how do we, how do we, you know, transition scholarships to pick a ball. So that's kind of knowledge. So if you're interested in knowing about those things, that's why it was so much, so much fun to be an ambassador. Now, did Steve make you do table tennis before you could be accepted? I cannot play table tennis. I cannot. I was just thinking that you had to fly out, like, okay, come in this room, see this little table here. Well, then there's that background check. First the table tennis, then the background check. Steve is like the 007, you know, 007 guy and USA pick a ball, you know, nicest guy, but you know, he has a, he has a license to kill, you know, he is a fun guy, but I tell you, you know, he's knowledgeable, he's, he's passionate about the game. And, you know, again, you know, we'll give you the shirt off his back, right? And so he is actually, so how it works is that Steve is part staff of USA pick a ball in his area is the area we're in here in Colorado, which is the great plains area. And so within Steve, I'm what's called the regional ambassador. And then under that, within that we have ambassadors within this area. So it helps because then if there's opportunities for something, then, you know, Steve can, and I can kind of work things through and then we can communicate to the ambassadors and try to get folks that may have interest in doing something like, you know, whatever it is, right. Moving in that direction. That's awesome. And so, you know, obviously when USA pick a ball serves came around, that's when we started saying, Hey, you know, what kind of boots on the ground are interested in coming out there? And again, you guys had the big heart and you guys came out. I really appreciate it. And we really appreciate that. Yeah. Anytime. That's our new generation coming up. Why would we not help? Why would we not want to help? I mean, you know, I, I wouldn't, I don't understand that. I think that's, that's, that's exactly right. I mean, you know, again, it's about, you know, and they say, you know, you know, the whole motto of paying it forward, but this is playing it for, so, you know, I mean, and we all, we all have that. I mean, as you know, as, as, as citizens, our own communities, I mean, we want to help our neighbors. We want to help, you know, those, those, those people that, you know, um, uh, don't, don't necessarily, you know, um, expect it. Right. And so that, that's, what's nice about us because, you know, when there's not an expectation of it and you're just giving of that, then it becomes a very, um, honest, honest connection. Well, Jimbo just surprised, you know, he didn't give us the, he didn't tell us the 160 part. He said some kids, you know, and there's a lot of cloaking dagger, you know, Jim is great because, you know, he knows that cloaking dagger. No. And I have to say, you know, Jim Hall, he's a, he's a, he's a fantastic guy. And I tell you what, you know, I've known Jim for a couple of years and I actually live in his neighborhood. And, uh, I tell you, you know, the more I get to know him, the more I just really respect him and, and his, um, you know, just the way that, uh, you know, he really, uh, is focused in on pickleball and, and all aspects of it. He plays a lot of pickleball. He's like a member of a lot of different clubs, right? Intervention. Yeah. There might be another segway of USA Pickleball called the intervention. We're going to have to bring him down here and tie him down to the chair. So, Hey, you've, we've played four games, you know, four hours a day, you know, that's enough. So I have a question. Yes. You're around pickleball quite a bit. Yeah. What is the funniest thing you've seen happen on the court? The funnest thing I've seen happen on a court, I think, and you know, again, I'm married, right? So I know the dynamics of that, you know, the funniest things that happen on the court is when the dynamics of a wife and husband play together for the first time. Yeah. That's why they call it the divorce line, right? Right. Right. And you know, I mean, I'm always on the fact that, you know, my wife is always right, you know? So that's actually really, but you know, it's, it's great to see that because, you know, there is a lot of bantering back and forth between the wife and husband, um, that it's just comical. And by the end of it, you know, we're all having drinks and then, you know, it just breaks the barrier again because, you know, because it's just honest, right? And then, you know, you're all laughing and you're all, you know, then you, then you get on and you have a drink. So I think that's the funniest thing is the dynamics of the wife and the husband. Remember when you almost got divorced? Right. Remember when we were there, we were there and you, yeah, and you said that kid doesn't belong to you. You know, I think those are the funny moments, right? That we can all sit back and laugh, right? Oh yes. So anyway, so, so yeah, so I think, I think again, it's the relationship part of it. I think that's the funniest because, you know, we have all seen, you know, some crazy shots and people love it. You know, it's, it's the getting to know people and, and uh, you know, what, what, what, what triggers they have. And of course I have a lot of triggers. So you know, when, when I laugh because when people, you know, get to know me and set my triggers off, then we all have a good time. So there's one guy that I play with every, well, when I go to work and I check everybody in, sometimes there's nothing else to do. So I go play. Okay. There's one guy. His name's Steve Gilbert. And if you're hearing this, Steve, here you are, buddy. Not naming names. No names. Except for the last time I played with him. I've nasty Nelston. Every time. Nasty Nelston. Ooh. Every, every time. Except for the last time. Wow. Every time. Except for the last time. His, his license plate is body bag. Body bag. Ooh. And that's the cool thing about pick a ball. Right? Because you know, you know, it's like even the pros now it's a little salty, you know, so pick a ball has become a little, it's almost like, you know, you have the tennis, which is a dry martini, right? Where pick a ball is like the dirty martini. Yeah. So the nasty Nelson is, and for those that don't know why Nelson, yeah. So tell us what a nasty Nelson is. All right. I will. So, so yeah, so if you're receiving the serve, your partner's forward and the person serving the ball hits your partner on the serve, they get the point. Absolutely. Yeah. A lot of people don't like it. No. I mean, and I've said this when we did our etiquette, you don't want to nasty Nelson people unless you're friends with them. Yes. And there, and there are some. Or you're not going to be friends. Yeah. And I've seen some videos of some nasty Nelsons that have gone viral where, uh, you know, there was one, I think it was a, uh, uh, it was a doubles women's right where the last point in a high level match, I think it was like four or five, five Oh, and that means advanced players playing in a tournament championship round where the last point, the team nasty Nelson and you, if you could read lips, didn't QD do that to his brother and the pros, his brother. Oh, he did it to him. Yes. And the pros nasty Nelson, his brother, and they all laughed about, right. Um, and, and yeah, so, so yeah, so it happens in the pros, but again, you know, um, yeah, it's part of the game. Yeah. You better have a good relationship. You better have a good relationship. Well, I know that higher levels, they want to fight higher levels will want to fight you for sure. Two weeks ago I was playing out at apex and it's windy there. They should call it not apex. They should call it windy pickleball because it's always windy. But so I went there and I was trying to, I have a nice spin serve hard and I was trying to adapt to the wind. Well, I over adapted and body bagged the poor lady and her eyes just got really large. And then she was happy cause she's like, Oh, you just lost your servant. I had to tell her I got the point I'm going to tell you that I nasty Nelson, my mom. Oh, could you imagine that? Is that, I mean, wow, you know, that's, yeah, Greg, why do you do this? Because it's fun because it's fun because I'm adopted and they didn't tell me until I was 30, right? So yesterday I don't always do it, but there's certain people I will always, yeah, we're, we're teaching as a Christina comes aboard and she's learning pickleball, you know, she's coming up with her own lingo. You know, the dirty Dave, I got a dirty Dave and a dirty, a dirty Dave and a dirty dog. That's actually good. Dirty dog. Cause as most people know the name pickleball, tell them what a dirty dog is. Oh, she doesn't remember. It's when my husband, Oh, Oh, pickleball. Yes. Everybody knows what a dirty Dave or dirty dog is, right? If not, just call us up and why don't you tell us? It's when he hits it and I can't get it. Like he puts it somewhere way towards the kitchen and I'm out back and I'm like, or dirty dog, dirty dog. Dirty dog. So we turned it into a dirty Dave because it's dirty Dave. My husband's name is Dave. So dirty dog, right? That's a new, new term in the pickleball. Oh, when she first told me, I'm like, well, you know, should we be talking about this? I mean, this is sounds like something private. That's back to the funny stories about when men and women should play together or against each other, you know, it becomes, yeah, it becomes so much fun. And that's the, you know, and like, like we talked to, you know, more kids, you know, and I never went camping. I know my wife said, you know, the times I remember the most is the times that things got derailed. Camping. Those are the stories that go back and you talk about, right? It's the same thing with pickleball, right? It's the dirty dog. It's those type of moments, right? When after you play and you know, you remember that when, you know, so, so again, right? And that's why we all love it because yeah, it's. And you say you've been airstreaming for a while, right? And I've seen pickleball pick up so much. And where is your favorite place that you've played? Wow. That's great. I think community-wise, I think it's in Southern California, Palm Desert, you know, and you know, the reason why is because there's a lot of Canadians that come down, snowbirds, snowbird Canadians that come down to play pickleball and it's huge, right? And Canada and stuff like that. And so, you know, and they come down every year. And so they, again, back to the community. And, and so, so I tell the story. So, you know, once you get over them talking at nausea about free healthcare, once you get past all that garbage, once you, once you, once you calm down that you don't have a gun in your back pocket, then, then, then, then, you know, you can play pickleball and have fun and break bread, right? So when you're there, where do you play? Where do you like to play? I've played it. I played it a couple of different spots before I ended up playing at the masters, but I played at this one park. I don't remember what it's called, but the courts were so worn down, like where you stand at the kitchen, you could, you were down to the pavement. Really? Yeah. And behind, behind the baseline, you were down to the pavement and it needed to be redone so bad, but they obviously still played though. But you still play because it was pickable. Oh yeah, yeah. I still played. And I have a story I'll tell you off air about this guy I played with, but no, no, I mean, you know, again, there's, there's, you know, since we have an Airstream and RV, whatever it is, right. You know, I mean, you know, when we go a lot of times, especially the older parks, you know, they've repurposed a lot of the tennis courts. Oh yeah. And, and, you know, maybe even pick a ball courts and stuff. You know, there's, gosh, you know, now that you put them on the spot, I just blanked on the name and we've gone there, you know, three years. I'll last five years, but I'll, I'll, I'll come, I'll get the name out there when I remember it, but you know, it's, it's great. And the reason why is because not only do you play pick a ball, but it's in Palm Desert and those who've never been around that, where Joshua tree is that. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. That's a beautiful area. There are a lot of hot springs, right? And so this particular, uh, park was built around hot springs and if you've never, you know, we have hot springs here in Colorado, but a lot of the times they smell like sulfur. Yeah. Right. And spit those hot springs down there don't, you know, and so they, they, they've got this whole thing where you play, pick a ball, you go in there and then after you play, pick a ball, then you go into the hot, you know, that's where a destination for us. Anyway. So, so that, that's where, you know, and then once you play and then that's where it breaks down, you know, you break down all the, and you know, you go in the pools and you meet people in the afternoon and then you have dinner with them, cocktails and you go back on the court again. So yeah, I'll give you that. But yeah. So the park I played at was Damuth. Damuth. D E M U T H. Yeah. Let me look at what. So you go play, pick a ball, then you get naked, go get some dinner, go in the cave or whatever. Oh, steamboat. Sorry. So are you going to steamboat Tom? Oh yeah. For the tournament? No. Oh no, no, no. So the, the pick ball tournament and steamboat. Yeah. I'm coming up. Like I know, I know it's next week. Are you guys going there? Yeah. We'll be there. Oh, that's fantastic. You guys going to be, um, podcasting, Ricky, which has been, he became a great friend of ours. You know, he's bought this from, you know, it's owned by several owners, but Ricky really kind of runs the whole thing and he's doing a great job. Oh, that's great. How many courts are out there? There it's. So it's at the, um, the, the steamboat, uh, tennis and pickleball club. And I think there's eight inside and eight outside, inside, outside. And they have a ton of tennis courts. They're probably going to convert a bunch of their tennis. It's going to be beautiful up there watching them all play. Oh my goodness. We'll be up there. So I'm going to be up there. Wow. There's, you know, I mean, pickleball designations are so, I mean, you go into, like I said, you know, we go into any, and I was just, you know, my niece just had a wedding and, um, you know, we were just, uh, we're at our wedding up, um, by, um, Grand Junction area. And, you know, you just go and you just look up the, you know, the, the pickleball courts there and you, you know, you get the four, one, one from the players and you're instantly after two days, you're just like part of the family. Yeah. Then we expect to see you in Grand Junction in September. Yeah. We'll determine in September too. That would be Rocky mountain. That's a shoot. That's a good players in Grand Junction. We've heard that. I've heard that a lot. Yeah. Holy cow. Is that because there's nothing to do or is that just, I think it's the radioactive. Oh, you say radioactive pigeons. That too. Maybe. I don't know. No, I'm eating the peaches. No. You know, Palisades, which are probably good to right then. Right. Oh man. Yeah. So you grew up on those peaches. Yeah. I'm sure you're good in everything. There's how we can make some money. Yeah. They bring some peaches back. We'll be on the corner. Wow. Pickleball's next door. Get some peaches. Right. So fruit. So, but here, how about Colorado here? Look at how many courts are coming. I mean, we're like seven 11s here. I mean, I went to Branson just recently for fourth of July to see my daughter and you go there and it's hard to find courts. Like there's outside, but look at our inside courts and outside are building 19 courts right here. And right up the street, Broadway and four seventies, like 19 courts. Yeah. They're building eight in my neighborhood with glass. I mean that pickle glass. You've ever heard of that? No. It looks like, um, a racquetball, the racquetball glass, a really thick tempered glass. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Or like Padel and, um, yeah. So the whole court surround all eight courts are surrounded by that. And then in between our partitions that are that as well, the glass. It's crazy. That's really crazy. That's really cool. It's supposed to reduce the noise by 50%. Is it really? It's supposed to, we'll see what happens. But like what I'm worried about is the airflow through there. Like the bottom, there's like a little gap. But other than that, there's no airflow and what I saw the last time I looked, the first layer they laid down, you know, like outside of the court is like usually gray or something. That was black. And so like, I'm kind of worried that it's going to be like a microwave cook you up with no airflow. I don't know. We'll see what happens. Yeah. Yeah. No kidding. Right. Yeah. And, you know, and that's, that's a good, that's a good segue into, you know, just the technology, you know, cause part of it is, you know, and the thing is that, you know, there's a lot of great clubs opening up, right. A lot of, you know, you know, clubs are indoors, but, you know, for those who are in our communities to take the kids to, you know, um, to the park and they see tennis courts. Now they're seeing pick ball courts, right. Some of the things that we've been made aware as, as ambassador is the noise, right? Obviously that's something that is the, the big elephant in the room, especially when it comes to neighborhoods and, um, you know, uh, parks and recreation. Right. And so, you know, what I enjoy is being able to have, and you talked about noise mitigation. Um, there is a company here in Denver or in Colorado Springs that, um, just came out and they are putting noise mitigation at Gates. You know, Gates is a test facility. They're in a neighborhood that, you know, the noise travels up and they're trying to figure out how they mitigate the noise for this area. If I'm being honest, Gates is not that loud. And the people that are bitching about it, I'm going to say bitching about it because they're well over a hundred yards away and they are like hundreds and hundreds of feet in the air. There's no way they hear it. There's no freaking way. They heard they make you pay with a silent paddle now. You can't use it. Oh, you don't. No. So on the main four courts they do, but I don't think you need it. It's a bunch of BS. It's just like when they shut down. Um, uh, what the, what's that park? Oh, Cheeseman. Yeah. I remember seeing that on the news, but that's, you know, that is, that is something that, you know, there's, there's a problem out there. And it's the people that bitch too much. Yeah. Yeah. It's the, it's a squeaky wheel thing. Right. Well, we have a younger generation getting into pickleball. So you have a lot of younger that are having the music. And, uh, you know, even at the court, sometimes I'm not used to having music on courts and you're starting to see people bringing big boom boxes. Let me just think about, we saw it at the RMC when the courts were shut down, people come to play tennis and they're like, no, we have them rented out. And they're like, F you man. And they just threw the court, the, the, they just threw the nets to the side and like ruined some of them. And I don't know. I don't know. No, but you know, to the point, I mean, those are, those are the business end of pickleballs, right. That, you know, as, as kind of, you know, the adults in the room, you know, um, and it's good neighbors. Cause again, we're, you know, we're neighbors to each other, right. We want to understand what's going on and then try to educate people and try to realize that, hey, you know, if this is a problem, then let's try to figure out, you know, is there things we can do with a paddle, the ball? Is there things we can do with materials? And what's nice about where pickleball is going and people see, um, you know, uh, business opportunities, um, is that going into space and developing things that mitigate noise, um, is the right thing to do, not only from a community aspect, but also from a, um, a going concern, right? They see money into that, which is great because that only then propels pickleball into more of a mainstream type of deal where neighborhoods can then feel comfortable about, you know, not talking about that elephant in the room and moving towards the, hey, you know, how do we, how do we plan parties and social activities and those things that bring people together? Right. And that was talking to Steve that he actually goes out and you guys fly out to places and meet courts or people can call in and talk about the indoor outdoor courts and you guys help facilitate. Yeah. And that's, what's great about Steve's role. And back to what Steve does is that, you know, as the USA Pickleball organization, they get information all the time from companies into USA Pickleball to help with the game. And then from there, they can disseminate some of that information back to boots on the ground, like us ambassadors, so that we can then go out and see what type of technology is and really, really verify, right. Trust to verify that, you know, um, yeah, that, that makes sense. And then spread that good news around so that, uh, you know, we move the technology forward quicker and not again, you know, the awareness of, Hey, are we, are we cannibalizing tennis courts? Are we, you know, um, are we doing the right thing when it comes to, you know, pickleball in general and building all these courts, whatever, you know, so, so, you know, those are the questions that, um, are great from a USAP standpoint that trickles down into the ambassador. Cause we can talk about in the forums and have a good conversation back and forth. And then, you know, and then just sit on it and present it to people that are in our communities for their feedback. Well, so my whole thing is I don't hate tennis. I don't at all. How dare you? I've never played it. No, I've never played it. I've never played it. I don't hate it. I would play it. Yeah. But what bothers me are the tennis players that, that hate pickleball flexing now. Not all tennis players, but like the tennis players that hate pickleball and have never tried it. And just for some reason they think we're taking over their courts. But here's the thing, right? If you threw four pickleball courts next to two tennis courts and you just sat there for 24 hours, how many people are going to be on the four pickleball courts as opposed to on the two tennis courts weekday weekend? It doesn't matter. Pickleball, a hundred percent is going to be full. But they didn't make tennis for everybody. They made tennis one of a high end, like golf or, you know, I mean, I hate to say that because pickleball is open to everybody. That's where I think the change. We were just talking about what happened to racquetball. I was a racquetball player. What happened to it? I loved it. Yeah. But what they did is they take, they didn't, it wasn't for everybody. It didn't, it didn't invite people in to play it. So you had to either be a pick, go in there. They kind of made it into this upper end class thing. It was business executives and stuff. So it lost its legs. You're exactly right. You know, and the thing is that I think to your point, I think, you know, going back to statistics, right? I mean, you know, it's, we live in a country that, you know, I mean, it's, we vote with our money, like I said, right? And so right now I think that the, uh, the statistics is there's three and a half pickleball pals to one tennis racquet being sold. Yeah. That's crazy. That's amazing. So, you know, and, and we just have to respect that. And, you know, of course I, that's my first passion, you know, as a coach in tennis, you know, growing up, you know, um, playing in junior tennis at high level in college, then now playing pickleball, you know, I, I get that perspective of, you know, um, of a Holy Grail of tennis. And then you have this youngster committing pickleball, you know, um, taking over. Um, uh, but, uh, but part of it again is, you know, how do we bring communities together? And I think big Mike, you just mentioned it, you know, it's a very, you know, it becomes kind of, um, difficult because like golf, right. High in tennis, it feels like that where it's like, you know, kind of, kind of a lead a sport in some ways. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Where pickleball is more like, and the funny story when you ask, you know, what's a funny thing that you've seen pickleball, you know, in the Broomfield courts, um, out there, you know, I saw it when we were playing in the morning or I know it was like a four or five in the afternoon, um, a pickup truck, right. With a bunch of guys, it looked like, uh, guys that were about maybe in their twenties, mid twenties, and they had cowboy hats on. They're coming up, you know, they, they, they came in old pickup truck. They, they, they pulled in, they had their, you know, these cowboy shirts, cowboy hats, boots on. They got out, they changed into like some, you know, some, some, some, some people clothes and they had their hats on, they took them out, you know, and they, they had a little, uh, you know, a little, uh, boom box put on the court and played country music and played pickleball, right. And then they played pickleball. And that's what I think is the popularity of, you know, that's different from tennis where, you know, you have to take lessons and those things, right. We teach people to play in 15 minutes. That's right. 15 minutes. We have people playing pickleball. Yeah. So that's the draw. It's all these people, but the tennis players that come in that commit to this are very good because they have that, they have the racket experience. Yeah. And you know what? Typically when you're watching someone play, you can tell that they've played tennis most of the time. And again, I don't hate tennis and I don't hate tennis players. There's very specific tennis players. I can't stay out. Yeah. And that's, I think that's a great point. And, and, and hopefully as you know, as time goes, as time marches on, that becomes less of a distraction for people who are, you know, cause we don't want to be intimidating. That's the whole point of being inclusive. Let's be honest. It's mostly on the tennis side. Yes, it's not us being intimidating or standoffish. It's us basically defending. Everybody's a neighbor. But maybe over time, like you were saying, maybe over time it will diminish where it's more accepted by the other. And the thing is that, you know, again, you know, it's a different sport and I think that's what needs to be, I think that's what needs to really be communicated to tennis players is that this is not your poor man's tennis. This on its own is a different sport because you have a lot of different backgrounds that come into pickleball that are successful at the highest level. I have absolutely no racket sport experience. So, so that's what I'm saying. And then that's, and I think that's where, you know, and I think as time marches on, you know, the whole, you know, uh, you know, separation then becomes, Hey, it's its own sport. And again, you know, if, if Powell's being sold, you know, three to one, then you have to respect that. And, you know, there's something wrong with tennis. And if you love tennis, then you need to become an ambassador tennis and to be boots on the ground so that, you know, you represent your sport in the right way and try to build it up. There you go. So that's, that's how this, that's, that's what's great about this country, right? That's why it's growing so much. Like I said, I, we do, I do events and help events and I've had my oldest player was 97 years old. Now he couldn't run around the court, but he was an ex tennis player, but he had the time of his life. And I watch these kids. I leave. We, we work with the Inverness and Hilton. We do that. We're the coaches there and train and everything. And I have new people and they're older people and they come in and leave with these smiles. It's worth it. It's worth every cent. And I've been body bagged by an 80 year old in Connecticut. Because you keep body bagging everybody else. Show you up and say, Hey, no, no, no. So Greg, the grim reaper body bag, push the button. Now they're just blinking. I don't know what you're doing. No. The thing is, is like the volumes down. And you can't. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, but yeah. But that's great that you don't come in with any rack experience coming in and that's, that's, you know, and it's great. Cause I, you know, you hear the, I know the thing is that hearing you talk about, you know, tennis players talking about that, right. I mean, I, it's a little bit, cause I had a tense background, so it's a little more, but it's, it's, it's unfortunate to hear that, you know but again, that that's the truth of it. You know how many people have blocked on my Instagram because all they do is talk about pickleball and their tennis players. Whoa. Yeah. For real. Wow. It's not a sport. You're a piece of whatever. Oh, look at that. There's pros. For real. I'm not even kidding. Several pros that are tennis was tennis. Jack sock. Oh yeah. Pro. Well, I mean, what a great guy. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing, you know, I mean, there's a lot, you know, and now you see, I mean, you see like Agassi, you know, Agassi just play mixed doubles. And they got smoked. Well, they won their first match. Right. And then, you know, and then, and then they try to hit more balls and that's when they started losing. Yeah. If he would just move over and let Annalee, you know, do her job, but you know, but you know, and that's the thing is that, and what's nice about that, as you can see, it's such a different sport that even world-class tennis players, right. It's not that they can dominate. Right. Because obviously you see that in action with Jack sock, even being, you know, and I saw, I saw, I mean, Jack sock's amazing, but you know, there's, there's other players that have different skill sets that beat Jack sock. Yeah. We and here's what I, the other part with the sport, and then when I get down a rabbit hole, but I went to a PPA because he usually says PBA and that's like bull riding. All right. So when I'm done riding my bull, I'll come back, but last year I was kind of, I'm, I'm not a big sports guy. I don't follow a lot of sports, you know, and it's, that's not my thing. I like the normal everyday person. And we went out there and I thought, Oh, here we go. We're going to go to this big event. These pros. We went out to, we went out to, uh, oh, yeah, we went out last year and they had a, you know, the P PPA was there. I almost did it again. Almost got it. But, uh, these guys were, you could walk up, get pictures, shake hands. They were normal athletes. They're watching the games, right? Where you're watching the game. You're sitting here. You could catch the ball. I mean, but it's, so that was impressive to me over a lot of sports, you know, you know, you gotta pay for something to get an autograph or say hi, or they don't want it. It's going to end up going that way though. I think because of the, now that the money that they're starting to pay, it's going to end up being that way. I think that's a shame. Cause it was, that was impressive to me to have pros at getting pictures and just talking normal Joe pickleball with them. And, you know, and, and that's, I think that you said, right. I mean, you know, to be able to be a part of a sport that just is on its infancy, you know, seven years old right now. That's the exact word I keep using. It's in its infancy. Oh, it's, it's, it's incredible because again, you know, um, and then that's going back because you know, everyone wants the rock, the baby, the right way. Right. That's where, you know, joining, you know, I'm part of you as a pick ball is great because you know, that information then gets back into the governing body. What's the right way. Well, that's the case, right? I mean, the thing is that, you know, I mean, right now it's, it's, it's, you know, do we want to move it where, you know, it's loses. It's what was in the first place, which is a lot of craftiness, a lot of, you know, kitchen play. Right. Um, you know, and now it's turned into really a bang, bang, bang. And the thing is that, you know, in the PP and the PPA reason why is because, you know, I mean, people want to see, you know, those types of points where it's bang, bang. Right. Um, so, so there's a fine. And that's, I think that's the, that's the, that's the Jekyll and Hyde of the sport right now. Is this going to be, is it going to be led by the pro side or is it going to be led by the amateur side? And so, you know, you pick a side and I'm here to tell you, you pick the wrong side. I'm going after you. No, but that's, that's, that's the thing is that being in its infancy, you know, we see it and, and we all have a responsibility to make sure that, you know, um, you know, we, we, we recognize these trends and we, as you know, um, players in our neighborhoods, you know, how do we want to see the sport for us? Right. How did we do, you know, do we, do we accept that, that, you know, the bigger, you know, stronger paddle went, or do we accept being able to play these crafty games and, um, and, and, and have it where it was when it was originally, um, originated in Bainbridge, right? Sure. You know what I would love to see in the PPA? An all wood paddle tournament. You know, that's great. That it's like, it's like, well, it's like tennis, right? When they went to, you know, saying, yeah, it's composite to graphite too. So I know the pickler is going to have a wood paddle tournament very soon. That's, that's how, that's how you do it. That brings you back to reality. That brings you back to like pure skill, pure skill because there's no grit. There's no technology. It's a piece of wood. You need to hit that ball right. And that's, and that's the whole point, right? I mean, that's where the dinking and, and, and, you know, the finesse game comes in, but I think that's where it'd be great to see the pros do that. Yeah, I agree. But so think about this too, right? With the technology and everything, let's just say baseball. Cause I, I'm, I have a big baseball background. I see that. So, um, little league high school, you know, everything up college is all metal bats. You get to the pros, it's wood bats. And so is that something to be considered as well? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With the technology, you know, you have the, the mod TA that was just like a beast, which just became illegal, right? It's a beast. Like I hate playing against them. I hate playing against them. They're so freaking powerful. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it'll be interesting, you know, 10 years when we look back on the YouTube videos of pros, you know, on the, you know, in this generation, they're coming up now, um, it'll be, it'll be the same type of thing when you're looking back at old, you know, archives of sports, right. Where there'd be, you know, um, tennis or baseball or whatever it is. Right. We're seeing it now. What's, um, what's the pro at your, uh, that we just went with Rocky mountain, Kyle Yates, Kyle Yates, Kyle Yates. Talk to Kyle Yates. I mean, he was there where you were getting a trophy, you were getting a bottle of water and you might get a little pin or something. So, you know, he, he's in his, now he's a hall of famer. So, I mean, isn't that crazy? Like it's already starting. Right. I mean, he's a hall of famer, but he didn't, he didn't reap all the benefits of what's going on now. Yeah. He's yes. I agree. He's a bad-ass. He is. Oh man. But he's not reaping what they're getting now. Yeah. And that's, that's, and that's like, just like in tennis when it was amateur and the Olympics, when it was amateur, right. And it's like, it's like NIO and you know, college football, Hey, by the way, 49 days until football season. You an OU fan? I am an OU fan. That's cool. Yeah. I have, I have no dog in the fight. Well, fun fact, my wife was, you know, they had the boomer schooner, you know, on the thing. So she was what they call the roughneck queen. Right. So she would do that and around. And it was funny because we were horrible when we were in school. Their team was horrible. And it was the year that the schooner actually flipped over is on ESPN the next year that was she in it? No, the next year the schooner flipped over. Right. So she was in the year before. All right. And so she was watching with her mom in the, the, the, the, uh, the roughneck queen that flipped over was on David Letterman. And her mom turns to my wife and says, Oh, you should have been there the next year because you've been on David Letterman. She's like, Oh my God. Anyways. Yeah. So yeah, big time football, obviously being a ball. Love it. Yeah. Well, Tom, you were awesome to have on our podcast. I mean, we'd love to, to have you on again. Um, we definitely are a part of any function that's coming up. I have one more question for you. Oh, absolutely. Winning ticket lottery. You want, you have the numbers? You ever heard of casual dinkers pickleball.com casual tinker? No, I have not. If you ever want some bad-ass swag. Yeah. They're great. You can also get my merch on there. Ooh, casual dinkers. Yeah. You go on there. Pickle or die. Yeah. That's my merch, baby. Pickle or die. Yeah. Oh, okay. Go get it. Go check it out. 25% off for 2025. 25%. So you've got about five more months. You know, math is big brain. All I know is it's cool. Yeah. See 25 and 25. It just all matches. It's 25 and 25. Wow. 25 for the year of 2025. Wow. Do you have stuff to show the guns? No. They make a racer back. Well, it's been a pleasure guy. Yeah. You know, back to the root of this thing. You know, thank you so much for, you know, shedding light on the great cause that, you know, each of us can do right in our community. So again, thank you so much. Well, that's our goal is to bring the everyday pickleballer. This is, we're not about the pros. You'll hear that. I say it all the time. We're about the Joes. The everyday player that we're bringing the community. So if anybody wants to become an ambassador for USA pickleball or get ahold of you, where can they reach you? You can just let me a 20. No, no. That's how you did it. That's how I did it, right? Yeah. It's a pyramid scheme. Yeah, exactly. Well, with inflation, it was only 10 back then. Right. It was only 10 back then. Right. No, no. That's a great question. Again, you know, for those, I mean, it's usapickleball.org. And again, I am a volunteer. So, you know, it's usapickleball.org. Get on there. You can also reach out to me. You know, my email is colorado.sherpa.gmail. So if you want to just contact me, you're more welcome to as well. Great guy too, guys. I would recommend it. Yeah, you did a great job. Yeah. Thanks. Thank everybody for tuning in. Yeah, we appreciate all our listeners. Let's go play pickleball. Yeah, do it. And we also want to give a shout out to Mike Monroe. Yes. Without him, we would not be here. You wouldn't hear any of these podcasts. Or you wouldn't want to hear them. Check him out on Instagram. Thanks, Mike. M-H-Y-K dot Monroe. He has a cool spelling of his name. I've never seen a Mike spelled that way. Really great guy. And then you can check out his band too called Suicide Cages. They're on Instagram as well. Really? Yes, sir. Yeah, they'll do this. It's pretty hardcore. It's pretty good. It's good stuff. I love it. Yeah. Like Metallica 3.0? No, like. Like, yeah, 10.0. 10.0, okay. I should definitely know. Well, thanks, guys, for tuning in. Thank you, guys. See you next week. Have a great day. Thank you. Bye. Wanted to give a special thanks to Pickle for the People for supporting our podcast. Pickle for the People is a Denver-based paddle company, and they specialize in a low-carbon footprint. They also have a buyback program. Check them out at pickleforthepeople.com. Thank you.